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we're talking about whether or not to kick the can down the road. i think mood is that we have come to the end of the road. with that kind of talk from republicans, in the house, will anything get done? >> i think, listen, they have to come up with some kind of agreement. if they don't, in fact, her premonition will come true and parts of the government will shut down. listen. you have an echo of different republican leader that is are out there saying that the theory of a government shutdown would not be such a bad idea and setting this up, trying to desensitize what would otherwise be a pretty calamitous thing for the country and the economy. >> we heard the same thing about the fiscal cliff from progressives on this show saying let's go over the cliff, how bad could it be? >> absolutely. people on the left saying the same thing and what i think is going to happen here is going to come to a short-term agreement and they're going to wait for the president's budget which is due out i think the beginning of february, less than a month and so, listen.
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. >> chris: you talked at the beginning about presidential leadership and you worked in the obama white house for a year or so. the president has too deal with the debt ceiling. he wants to pass major immigration reform. >> absolutely. >> chris: do something about climate change. has he told you how much political capital he is willing to spend on what is going to be a very tough fight? >> i think that the president has demonstrated tremendous leadership on this issue. i think the country rallied around him and h his leadership because he really was a voice for the parents who lost a child. >> chris: has he told you how much -- >> and i see from his actions and we hear from the white house and we hear from the vice president that they are going to lay down political capital on the issue and i think the one thing i would say to those people like larry and others who said we can't do anything about these issues is that whether it comes from the background checks or dealing with high capacity magazines which was the issue in newtown we can take action and to say that we should do nothing r
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you're here in washington to talk about the -- you may well remember president obama trieded it, he had ted kennedy on his side, he had mccain on his side, it didn't go anywhere. what do you think if the president tries to push for comprehensive immigration reform including a pathway to citizenship for so many of the ten, 10 million illegal immigrations from -- >> they lost about 71% of the latino vote, 74% of the asian vote. the vast majority of people in the country in poll after poll after poll including your own say that people want comprehensive immigration reform that provides a pathway for citizenship. i saw john mccain yesterday on face the nation and i can tell you that we were in the room together, he's working with some eight senators, he believes that we're on the path to get comprehensive immigration reform and i think that both parties would be -- would do well by the american people if they did that and i think that's the difference. an election has a way of making a statement, and i think it did, particularly for the republicans who, as you know, were calling for the sou
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today vice president biden will give his list of recommended gun safety laws to president obama. joining us is the president and the ceo for the certain for american progress. thank you so much for joining us. >> it's great to be with you. >> so, mira, we just finished talking about the debt crying and how the president is laying the ground work pursuing a broad argument understanding that at the end of the day he may have to cut a deal in some fashion. i wonder if the same thing isn't actually going on over gun laws, which is to say there is a broad package on the table. you guys have a very aggressive package of sensible gun laws, i might add, and at the end of the day the president said today in the press conference, will we get everything? probably not. i'm paraphrasing. is this effectively just staking out the biggest piece of property you can on the issue of gun control, preparing yourself for what will be probably a very heated battle in the end. >> well, i do think that on a range of issues the president has decided that -- if you look at his press conference, that you kn
today vice president biden will give his list of recommended gun safety laws to president obama. joining us is the president and the ceo for the certain for american progress. thank you so much for joining us. >> it's great to be with you. >> so, mira, we just finished talking about the debt crying and how the president is laying the ground work pursuing a broad argument understanding that at the end of the day he may have to cut a deal in some fashion. i wonder if the same thing...
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because i don't think either party wants to cut spending that they regularly talk about and obama talked about cutting spending line by line. republicans talked about small government. but every year we look back and we say oh wow it's grown even more. i think there's going to be a lot of back and forth. it strikes me that that's obama's plan that he wants to get ahead of it, but the reality is neither party is going to do anything. that to me is the big scandal here. we're a constitutionally limited government yet it collects 2.5 trillion dollars a year. it strikes me that that's the scandal that not enough people are talking about, a limited government wouldn't need that much money. dagen: how do you think the debt ceiling fight does play out, however? again, if you have people who have nothing to lose, then they become very dangerous, if they're willing to put their necks on the line for this kind of fight, because there's this one and then the sequester and then the budget and then we roll on. >> i think we're going to see it play out the way we did the last time. a lot of drama. was
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and this is something that president obama really seems to want to usher? >> the catalyst of the conversation, though, seems to be based on what we witness as a country in newtown. play your michael bloomberg was on our air earlier and talking about the fact that we can use that as an example. we have a bigger problem in this country. gentlemen, take a listen. >> as horrific as sandy hook has been and all of the other seechliseechl i seemingly episodes of mass violence, we experience that carnage or worse every single day across our country because every day of the year an average of 33 americans are murdered with guns. here's another way to think about what that means. one week from today president obama will take the oath of office for his second term. and unless we take action, during those four years some 48,000 americans will be killed with guns. >> mayor michael bloomberg speaking from baltimore, maryland, along with governor martin o'malley there as they introduce the summit on reducing gun violence in america. when we think about the numbers in just
and this is something that president obama really seems to want to usher? >> the catalyst of the conversation, though, seems to be based on what we witness as a country in newtown. play your michael bloomberg was on our air earlier and talking about the fact that we can use that as an example. we have a bigger problem in this country. gentlemen, take a listen. >> as horrific as sandy hook has been and all of the other seechliseechl i seemingly episodes of mass violence, we...
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. >>> president obama warns republicans they won't get ransom for agreeing not to crash the economy. he's talking tough ahead of the next big fight with congress over the debt creating. >>> the president said vice president biden has presented had i am with a list of common sense steps to prevent gun violence. but the biggest question is how much of it the administration can actually get passed through the congress. >>> and watching last night's golden globes, wung thing was clear to me, america once again feels good about itself. we've got a new sense of optimism and the movies show it. >>> the latest attack on science by a republican member of the house science committee. what a strange name for that crowd. that's in the "sideshow" tonight. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. that can her cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, alls
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senator finestein's bill and president obama and joe biden's comments. >> but you can appreciate guns without appreciating magazines that shoot a hundred rounds. you're talking about legislation that clearly talks about person types of weapons, certain types of magazines. . not all guns. let's not distort what the legislation is saying. >> well, in diane finestein's bill, in the summary that i read, you know, she lists handguns that are semi-automatic, which are the majority of handguns that are sold in this country. in her proposed legislation. so we are talking about, you know, the guns that people use on a regular and everyday basis to defend their homes and families. >> well, it hasn't been introduced yet. we don't know what the final bill will say. but are you supporting on saturday, on gun appreciation day, automatic weapons and magazines that go with 30-100 rounds? is that part of appreciation day? >> i believe that right now, any ban on a semiautomatic weapon would not have, you know, changed the outcome of what happened in newtown. it would not have changed the outcome of wha
senator finestein's bill and president obama and joe biden's comments. >> but you can appreciate guns without appreciating magazines that shoot a hundred rounds. you're talking about legislation that clearly talks about person types of weapons, certain types of magazines. . not all guns. let's not distort what the legislation is saying. >> well, in diane finestein's bill, in the summary that i read, you know, she lists handguns that are semi-automatic, which are the majority of...
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he may also talk about the war in afghanistan. you can watch your remarks frigid his remarks live here on c-span. in the meantime, some of the headlines in this morning's "washington journal." >> been morning to you. i want to start with a story. video tames -- games kick short trips. we will reach you that. president obama promised and all of the above examination of gun violence. we want to get your take on what you think those solution should be. we are are they getting comments on the facebook page. i want to read a few of those for you now. host: we will take your calls this morning in the first 45 minutes, but first want to play you a segment from the state of the union. this is congresswoman marsha blackburn, talking about the role of violent video games. [video clip] >> i watched a couple of these of violent video games to you ready for this segment and i was astounded with some of the things i was seeing on call to duty. we know the norway shooter would use that as target practice. you say let's keep children safe, protec
he may also talk about the war in afghanistan. you can watch your remarks frigid his remarks live here on c-span. in the meantime, some of the headlines in this morning's "washington journal." >> been morning to you. i want to start with a story. video tames -- games kick short trips. we will reach you that. president obama promised and all of the above examination of gun violence. we want to get your take on what you think those solution should be. we are are they getting...
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just today president obama was talking about what could happen if congress doesn't agree to let the government essentially pay its bills. let's listen. >> america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. if congressional republicans refused to pay america's bills on time, social security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. >> so the truth is the president and the congress actually have to agree on all of this to end up getting a deal. but the question for you, suze, is what are americans supposed to do during a time of uncertainty? for example, if you're thinking about making a big purchase, should you do it now or wait till the president and the congress figures it out? >> the time has come, in my opinion that americans realize that their future cannot be in the hands of politicians. that their financial future has to be held tightly right within their own grips. and if they don't have the money to buy something outright, if they have to put it on a credit card and pay the minimum payment due, if they a
just today president obama was talking about what could happen if congress doesn't agree to let the government essentially pay its bills. let's listen. >> america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. if congressional republicans refused to pay america's bills on time, social security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. >> so the truth is the president and the congress actually have to...
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. >> powell is most likely talking about former alaska governor sarah palin who blasted president obama for his handling of the benghazi consulate attack on facebook writing in part, "why the lies? why the cover up? why the dissembling about the cause of the murder of our ambassador? on the anniversary of the worst terror attacks on american soil. we deserve answers to this. president obama's shuck and jive shtick with these benghazi lies must end." joining me now cnn contributor and senior writer for cnn.com, gra l.z. granderson. and will cain. palin defended the remarks saying there was nothing racist about them. was there? >> i'm going to go with no, carol. you know this is always my favorite segment. why are republicans racist? are you racist? tell me again what is not racist about conservatism? it's always the burden of proof to prove you're not a racist, which is a near impossible thing to do. i understand you're not asking me about my personal views. you're asking about a party. i don't know, whatever that is, tens of millions of people across this country. are they embodied by a
. >> powell is most likely talking about former alaska governor sarah palin who blasted president obama for his handling of the benghazi consulate attack on facebook writing in part, "why the lies? why the cover up? why the dissembling about the cause of the murder of our ambassador? on the anniversary of the worst terror attacks on american soil. we deserve answers to this. president obama's shuck and jive shtick with these benghazi lies must end." joining me now cnn...
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president obama spent the better part of the hour talking about the debt ceiling. so we'll go into the details about what it is, exactly. it is a cap on the amount of money the federal government may borrow. the cap is actually set by congress. so it includes money the federal government borrows from the public. for example, u.s. bonds, right? also includes debt that the treasury owes the government, trust funds like social security and medicare. right now, the ceiling, is it set at almost $16.4 trillion. the country's borrowing already hit that mark. that happened on december 31st. so the ceiling is raised periodically because both parties, they have to have approved the tax cuts and the spending increases over the years, knowing that they're going to add to the deficits. by doing so, they increase the country's need to borrow in the future. since 1962, congress has raised the debt limit 76 times, 11 times in the past decade. i want to talk about the debate over the debt ceiling, how it affects the overall economy. our georgia tech economics professor, danny bosto
president obama spent the better part of the hour talking about the debt ceiling. so we'll go into the details about what it is, exactly. it is a cap on the amount of money the federal government may borrow. the cap is actually set by congress. so it includes money the federal government borrows from the public. for example, u.s. bonds, right? also includes debt that the treasury owes the government, trust funds like social security and medicare. right now, the ceiling, is it set at almost...
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ahead, we'll talk about president obama's potential executive order on gun control. we're talking to connecticut senator chris murphy about what the president actually can do as well as vice president biden's expected recommendation. that's coming up in just a few moments. first, though, we want to get an update on some of the other stories that are making news. john berman has that in new york. good morning, john. >> good morning, soledad. the nation wooild flu outbreak, it's just about everywhere. in all but three states, in fact, those lucky states, california, hawaii, and mississippi. in new york city the big hassle involves trying to get vaccinated. there's a run on the vaccine at some pharmacies and urgent care centers since governor andrew cuomo declared a public health emergency. debate resumes today in the house of representatives over two bills that address sandy relief aid. despite opposition from house conservatives, the bills are expected to pass providing an additional $50 billion to the hard hit northeast. lawmakers in the affected areas including new
ahead, we'll talk about president obama's potential executive order on gun control. we're talking to connecticut senator chris murphy about what the president actually can do as well as vice president biden's expected recommendation. that's coming up in just a few moments. first, though, we want to get an update on some of the other stories that are making news. john berman has that in new york. good morning, john. >> good morning, soledad. the nation wooild flu outbreak, it's just about...
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women voters who came out for barack obama talking about the needs of women, the perspective that women bring, and i think that raises the bar for him to show that he is going to put women in these top jobs. i think the white house has been taken aback by the response they've gotten. they feel like he has a pretty good record substantively, but the optics of these opening weeks have not been good for them on this issue. >> their own photo that they released, the white house photo. he was also asked by jackie about reports that he is too imsular and hasn't reached out. i topt play a little bit of that. >> most people who know me know i'm a pretty friendly guy. i like a good party. and, you know, the truth is that, you know, when i was in the senate, i had great relationships over there, and up until the point that i became president, this was not an accusation that you heard very frequently. >> chuck, let's talk about this because, i mean, you know the white house, this president, better than anyone. is this an unfair criticism that he is too surrounded by the very -- the guys mostly wit
women voters who came out for barack obama talking about the needs of women, the perspective that women bring, and i think that raises the bar for him to show that he is going to put women in these top jobs. i think the white house has been taken aback by the response they've gotten. they feel like he has a pretty good record substantively, but the optics of these opening weeks have not been good for them on this issue. >> their own photo that they released, the white house photo. he was...
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president obama, maybe we'll talk hip-hop as well, in a final formal news conference before he takes the oath of office here in his second term spoke this morning, pushing for support on raising the debt ceiling. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. >> so the president says there will be no ransom, you heard him say no bargaining chip in this whole debt ceiling debate. the deadline to raise that ceiling is approaching quickly. some members in congress say they're willing to shut down the government to avoid raising that limit now. joining me now is ben stein. nice to have you in person. >> honored to be here. i'm very sorry the weather is
president obama, maybe we'll talk hip-hop as well, in a final formal news conference before he takes the oath of office here in his second term spoke this morning, pushing for support on raising the debt ceiling. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the...
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>>> up next, president obama holding his last press conference of his first term. he's going to start by talking about the debt limit. but first, the white house soup of the day. it's monday. it's rainy. i would suggest they could have come up with a better rainy day soup, but tomato basil is fine. we'll be right back. at 1:45, the aflac duck was brought in with multiple lacerations to the wing and a fractured beak. surgery was successful, but he will be in a cast until it is fully healed, possibly several months. so, if the duck isn't able to work, how will he pay for his living expenses? aflac. like his rent and car payments? aflac. what about gas and groceries? aflac. cell phone? aflac, but i doubt he'll be using his phone for quite a while cause like i said, he has a fractured beak. [ male announcer ] send the aflac duck a get-well card at getwellduck.com. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a
>>> up next, president obama holding his last press conference of his first term. he's going to start by talking about the debt limit. but first, the white house soup of the day. it's monday. it's rainy. i would suggest they could have come up with a better rainy day soup, but tomato basil is fine. we'll be right back. at 1:45, the aflac duck was brought in with multiple lacerations to the wing and a fractured beak. surgery was successful, but he will be in a cast until it is fully...
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his poll numbers went up, and i imagine that the same thing would happen with obama. and, of course, there would be this attendant impact on the economy and attendant impact on people getting their government benefits and all sorts of things. so, again, i think the republican party talks about refashioning and rebranding and i think one of the ideas is to look at reagan. they always talk about reagan, but if you look at some of the things reagan actually did around immigration reform, for instance, this isn't a party that so far is will to do that and embrace some of those parts of reagan's legacy. >> steve, we heard colin powell saying this weekend that he doesn't understand why senior republicans continue to tolerate the kind of racial code words that actually proved self-injurious to their party. yet when they talk about the debt creating they're help to injure the nation so long as they get their own way. is this party destined for a reputation that has nothing to do with constructive help and more about damaging themselves and the country? >> i think there was so
his poll numbers went up, and i imagine that the same thing would happen with obama. and, of course, there would be this attendant impact on the economy and attendant impact on people getting their government benefits and all sorts of things. so, again, i think the republican party talks about refashioning and rebranding and i think one of the ideas is to look at reagan. they always talk about reagan, but if you look at some of the things reagan actually did around immigration reform, for...
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is standing by over concerns of a meeting with vice-president joe biden saying the obama administration needs to stop focusing solely on guns and gun owners. >> we wish instead of talking about guns specifically, that t they would have addressed what will we do in the future. what will we do about a broken mental health system that allows people potentially violent to be on the streets? >> and a liberal think tank weighing in for the first time shall the center for american progress announcing it's joining a full scale campaign to push for more gun control laws. >> the organizations will be working to work in the states, and ensure at that we have the voice and really have the american people and really gun owners who listen to the proposals, their voices at the table as well. >> harris: all of this in the wake of a week long series of meetings hosted by the vice-president as he puts together a plan to curb violence, he says. we expect that plan to be officially presented to the white house on tuesday. our peter doocy with the news live for us in washington. and peter, after all of this
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when president obama campaign in 2008, he talked about how the bush policies were based on fear and return their back on our values and we were going to restore our reputation. i don't recall president bush having a kill list giving unilateral authority deciding that an american needs to die without trial. i hope pieces of the puzzle will get reexamined in a second term. ambassador stephen's body came back from benghazi and president obama met the planet and its air force base in the talked about the sacrifices they made and he said we would not be deterred because america will always shine as the lead on to the world. what we have done for the last 10 years is we have been a warning light, not a guiding light. i am hoping in the second term, we can turn that around and up to the values that we purport to represent. [applause] >> thank you, moe and hello everybody. it is great to be here and to see you but i wish we were here to announce the closure of guantanamo. four years ago when president obama can into office and issued the executive order that we all remember promising to close guan
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he'll talk to reporters in the next hour. we'll talk to brit hume about what the president is planning for his second term and how republicans will respond. mr. brit hume in the house next, folks. we'll be right back. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals. fiber one. uh, forgot jack's cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one! yeah, this is pretty good. [ male announcer ] over a third of a day's fiber. fiber one. mommy's having a french fry. yes she is, yes she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle. with three of your daily vegetable servings we replaced people with a machine.r, what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello? ally bank. your money needs an ally. bill: 32 past. fox news alert you will see the president in a matter of 40 minutes, the last of his first term east gets ready to take the o
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but i talked to several fed officials about prior debt ceiling showdowns, and they said the fed said there would be no way to proceed without money in the treasury. we'll see what president obama says in his press conference, if he ratchets up the rhetoric this morning. he's been clear he would negotiate only spending cuts, but not in context of the debt ceiling debate. simon? >> okay. >> steve, are we all agreed on what the word default means in this case? we're going to be talking about it an awful lot. >> great question, carl. it's a political question. you can default on the interest payments, and that's a sort of, i guess the technical or legal version of default. or you can default on obligations. in other words, the government incurs a debt, but doesn't pay it. that's of a different order of magnitude from defaulting on the interest payments on the debt. in general, the white house wants you to believe that default is everything. and it's a terrible, terrible thing to happen. where as i think the republican point of view is more narrow, that you can default on other payments a
but i talked to several fed officials about prior debt ceiling showdowns, and they said the fed said there would be no way to proceed without money in the treasury. we'll see what president obama says in his press conference, if he ratchets up the rhetoric this morning. he's been clear he would negotiate only spending cuts, but not in context of the debt ceiling debate. simon? >> okay. >> steve, are we all agreed on what the word default means in this case? we're going to be talking...
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. >>> a surge in violence in oakland has the mayor and police chief talking. we'll tell you why even one city leader wants to declare a state of emergency. >>> it's officially the worst flu season in years. how bay area hospitals are responding to this epidemic. >>> a man sent to the hospital early this morning after a fire breaks out inside this apartment. we'll tell you what his neighbors did to help rescue him. >>> plus, the word came from the white house a short time ago, president obama is about to hold his first new conference of the new year. mornings on 2 begins right now. >>> good morning. welcome to mornings on 2. i'm dave clark. >>> good morning. i'm tori campbell. gunfire at a birthday party capped off another violent weekend in oakland. four people were killed, 11 others wounded. ktvu's tara moriarty is in oakland this morning. she tells us the surge in violence has one city leader calling for a state of emergency. good morning, tara. >> reporter: good morning. the spike in violence did lead to a conference call early saturday morning between the
. >>> a surge in violence in oakland has the mayor and police chief talking. we'll tell you why even one city leader wants to declare a state of emergency. >>> it's officially the worst flu season in years. how bay area hospitals are responding to this epidemic. >>> a man sent to the hospital early this morning after a fire breaks out inside this apartment. we'll tell you what his neighbors did to help rescue him. >>> plus, the word came from the white house...